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Amy ([personal profile] such_heights) wrote2012-09-03 09:30 pm

Timeline of Amy Pond

I was going to type this out for my own reference anyway, so! As far as I can figure, a broad timeline of events in Amy Pond's life (lives). Corrections/additions welcome!

From Amy's POV (Rory's timeline is obviously similar):

1989 (approx): Amelia Jessica Pond is born. The world rejoices.

1990s: Tabitha, Augustus and Amelia Pond move to Leadworth from Scotland. In the cracked universe reality, Tabitha and Augustus are erased from time and Amelia is raised by Aunt Sharon. It is unclear whether Mels (secretly Melody Pond) is present in every timeline or just some of them.

1996: [Amy is 7] The newly-regenerated Doctor crash lands in Amelia Pond's back garden. (In the AU in 513, he doesn't crash land but leaves messages for her to come and open the Pandorica and revive adult Amy.)

Summer (?) 2008: [Amy is 19] The bulk of The Eleventh Hour - the Doctor shows up again, and so does Prisoner Zero.

25th June, 2010: [Amy is 21] The Doctor comes back and takes Amy away with him. Then comes back for Rory in the middle of his stag night.

102 AD: The Evil Coalition of Evil lure the Doctor, Amy and River to Roman Britain and the Pandorica. Auton!Rory appears and spends the next 1894 years guarding Amy in the Pandorica.

26th June, 2010: Amy & Rory's wedding. The origin point of the cracks in the universe. The Ponds run off for their extended honeymoon.

April 2011: Back on Earth, Amy receives an invitation to Utah. She is kidnapped by the Silence, taken to Demon's Run, but continues her life with Rory and then in the TARDIS as a ganger version of herself.

22nd April 2011: Utah. The Doctor's 'death'. The events of both The Impossible Astronaut and The Wedding of River Song happen on this day.

Over the next nine months Amy continues to travel with the Doctor until her Ganger is dissolved and she regains consciousness on Demon's Run in time to give birth to Melody, before being rescued by Rory and the Doctor a month later.

Autumn 2011: [Amy is 22/23] Amy reunites with the Doctor and travels to 1938 Berlin in Let's Kill Hitler, resuming full-time travel in the TARDIS until The God Complex.

-- I'm unclear as to how long passes between the different modern Earth scenes in the second half of s6. My guess would be a few weeks each, putting Amy and River's conversation at the end of the season maybe somewhere between October and December 2011.

Christmas 2013: [Amy is 24/25] And into the future we go! Two years after last seeing the Doctor, he shows up at Amy's house at Christmas.

September 2014: [Amy is 25/26] The events of Asylum of the Daleks.

This does raise the question of how old Amy is anyway. Strictly speaking, around 25. But actually? She's definitely crammed a lot of travelling into not much Earth time. And she's known the Doctor for getting on for 20 years, and travelled with him on and off for at least 5.

eta: (spoilers for 702)

July 2015: The events of Dinosaurs on a Spaceship. Rory says he's 31 in this episode, which would make him 5 years older than Amy, which seems too much of a gap? Unless Amy was born in 1988, therefore 7 going on 8 in 1996, and could be 27 in this episode, and their age gap might be more like 3 and a bit years. But who knows..
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[personal profile] trouble 2012-09-03 10:51 pm (UTC)(link)
I woke Don up in the middle of the night last night to ask him if River Song had always been Amy & Rory's child or if she is a fixed point in time that must always exist and her beginnings have changed to account for the various timelines.
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[personal profile] pocketmouse 2012-09-04 12:04 am (UTC)(link)
We don't see River after Rory's died until Auton Rory is around, and she doesn't appear to recognize him (I'd say she could be bluffing, except she does almost draw on him). I figure she was always Amy and Rory's kid, even when Rory didn't exist, the same way that Amy still was around when her parents were removed from existence.
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[personal profile] trouble 2012-09-04 12:09 am (UTC)(link)
I was trying to remember where she had popped up in the season and couldn't, thank you!

I'm not sure about the not appearing to recognize him bit - so much of Season 6 hinges on River's lying like it's her job.
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[personal profile] pocketmouse 2012-09-04 12:27 am (UTC)(link)
River never hides that she knows something, just what the answer is. I honestly don't think she recognized him. Not in person, not in the photo in Amy's room. I don't think she recognized him until the timelines were restored and she gave him the journal.
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[personal profile] snorkackcatcher 2012-09-04 05:54 pm (UTC)(link)
I think she does hide things when she needs to? E.g. she never gave any obvious hint in Time of Angels/Flesh and Stone that she knew who Amy was, and pointed out at the end of Wedding of River Song that she'd just left that situation and had been lying through her teeth out of necessity. And she kept her plans to kill the Doctors/avoid killing the Doctor pretty well up her sleeve. I think basically she just hints at things when she wants to wind up the Doctor. :)

As for meeting centurion!Rory, I remember looking closely at that once -- she does seem to know immediately that he's an Auton duplicate, despite (as far as I can tell) not having heard enough information when talking to the Doctor via the time/space phone for her to actually know that. She gives a sort of start of surprise and acts a bit uncertain for a few lines -- I read that as her having to think about how she needs to play it, but Moffat writing it as if to suggest that she isn't sure if he's on their side. Probably helped by the fact that he apparently hadn't told Alex Kingston who River was at that point either. :)
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[personal profile] pocketmouse 2012-09-04 06:17 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, I figured that since she'd run into Autons before, she figured out that that's what they were, since they were able to duplicate things so precisely.

Something had to be off about the timeline, because River's acting as if she's never been in Amy's bedroom before. Moffat knows she has, but she wouldn't be acting if no one else is there.

The whole thing is really ambiguous and I doubt we'll ever actually get an answer. But if the whole point is that Amy doesn't even remember Rory, it doesn't make sense to me emotional-arc-wise that River would.
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[personal profile] snorkackcatcher 2012-09-04 07:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Good point about the bedroom -- I suppose arguably at that point River herself is just as much a paradox as Amy is, since one of her parents never existed either! However ...

I just went back to replay it, and I'm not sure she is really acting like she's never been there -- she certainly seems to recognise the house immediately, when she arrives she asks the Tardis "why have you brought me here?" She's very wary going in -- I think we were meant to assume at the time it was first shown that she didn't know the surroundings, but looking at it now I think her caution and uncertainty works just as plausibly as being due to the place being half derelict and that someone has obviously been there. The shock when she spots the storybooks and the photograph could equally well work as sudden recollection of a childhood memory and a realisation of what it means -- she does go straight to them out of all the objects in the room, after all.

Of course, I may be giving Moffat too much credit for subtlety here and maybe she really isn't meant to know what's happening at the time. She definitely doesn't know they're Auton duplicates by the time the Tardis explodes though. (Duplicates yes, but then there are all sorts of duplicates in the Whoniverse, many of which River would presumably know about, and there'd be no reason to immediately assume an Auton?)

Incidentally, I'm wondering now: why was there a photograph of Amy and Rory there if he's been wiped from the timeline?
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[personal profile] pocketmouse 2012-09-04 07:45 pm (UTC)(link)
How did they know to make a duplicate of Rory if he didn't exist? Especially if it has memories all the way up to him dying? When did they do it?
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[personal profile] recessional 2012-09-04 07:47 pm (UTC)(link)
They based the duplicates on a scan of Amy's magic brain, which did still contain Rory even if she couldn't actively remember him until just before his auton self shot her.
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[personal profile] snorkackcatcher 2012-09-04 07:55 pm (UTC)(link)
Ah, fair point. That makes sense -- well, within the context of the series anyway. :)
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[personal profile] snorkackcatcher 2012-09-04 07:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Not sure about that either. :) Good point in favour of mixed-up timelines ...!
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[personal profile] masakochan 2012-09-04 06:10 am (UTC)(link)
I'd say she could be bluffing, except she does almost draw on him

I'm pretty sure she's lying because by that point in time, she knows by then to not mess with 'fixed points', so between the S5 finale, and 'Time of Angels' and 'Flesh and Stone'- she can't let out anything that she does already know them, and how she knows them- because there's already a 'set point' in time for that.
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[personal profile] snorkackcatcher 2012-09-04 05:58 pm (UTC)(link)
This does raise the question of how old Amy is anyway. Strictly speaking, 24 or 25. But actually? She's definitely crammed a lot of travelling into not much Earth time. And she's known the Doctor for getting on for 20 years, and travelled with him on and off for at least 5

Was it just me, or did Karen Gillan and Arthur Darvill in 7x01 look as if they'd been made up to seem just a little bit older than they are -- round about 30 say?
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[personal profile] metaphasia 2012-09-05 01:00 pm (UTC)(link)
I now want the fic where Amy celebrates two birthdays, one where she turns a year older, and one on the day of her birth. Her parents get invited to the second one (unless they're in like BC or outer space), and the first party is the really fun one. And just when she's about to turn 30, the Doctor introduces her to Planet X years, which make her 21 again (this is how the Doctor is always, always 900 years old, unless he's dealing with a companion in which case he lets his age go up so they don't get confused with the time travel and all).
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[personal profile] build_the_moon 2012-09-06 02:12 am (UTC)(link)
Directed here from the Who newsletter on LJ. This is an AWESOME timeline, but I think I missed something from Autumn 2011 on...did they establish that the 2011 Christmas episode took place in 2013 or was it some offhand comment that I missed? TIMELINES, Y U SO WIBBLY WOBBLY?

<3
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[personal profile] build_the_moon 2012-09-06 12:53 pm (UTC)(link)
Ahhh, that's what I get for not rewatching the Christmas episode. Thanks so much!
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[personal profile] silverhare 2012-09-08 08:24 pm (UTC)(link)
Blimey, so that means that series seven episode two happens in July 2015, Ponds' time. Rory says he's thirty-one in that episode, which means he was born in 1984. Wiki says Amy was seven when the Doctor landed in her garden, which means she was born in 1989 making her twenty-six in 2015.

But. Like you said - how much travelling has she done within those trips away?

(As soon as Rory said how old he was, I started trying to work out when he was born and I knew I'd have to check this post.)

(Anonymous) 2013-08-11 06:32 am (UTC)(link)
However, in The Power of Three, Amy says its been 10 years traveling for them, not for the doctor or the earth, but for her and Rory. So maybe when Rory says he is 31, he means with those 10 years since they started traveling, in which case he would be the same age as Amy, as it looks like in the flashbacks of their childhood.
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[personal profile] ladymercury_10 2012-09-09 12:24 am (UTC)(link)
So how does Rory being 31 in DoaS fit into this? When they say ten months have passed, is that ten months since AotD or since some other, offscreen meeting with the Doctor? Or is Rory really six years older than Amy?
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[personal profile] ladymercury_10 2012-09-10 05:34 pm (UTC)(link)
Hmm. That could work. But I can't really see him being much older than three years her senior, as he was so small when they were kids. Five or six years would be way too much.

Or it could be that the writers forgot to make a timeline themselves. :P

The power of three/50th

(Anonymous) 2013-11-22 06:28 pm (UTC)(link)
In the 50th we see the reappearance of Kate Stewart, which as we know from the trailers and synopsis is in 2013. But, in The Power of Three Kate Stewart is meeting The Doctor for the first time, which as Amy says is 10 years after they start travelling. Which means, Kate Stewart didn't meet the doctor in 2013 in the 50th which is a really stupid continuity error.

Rory and Amy

(Anonymous) 2014-07-27 04:54 am (UTC)(link)
Amy and Rory are the same age.....It wasn't 2015 for Rory was born in 1989. (COMIC: The Broken Man). So it was actually 2020 when he arrived for the spaceship. The question I ask is when did Power of Three happen.

Re: Rory and Amy

(Anonymous) 2015-04-16 01:34 am (UTC)(link)
I just watched the impossible astronaut/day of the moon and I think that Amy wasn't kidnapped when she visited the orphanage, but rather during the three months she was running around America by herself. Because even Karen Gillian would show at five months pregnant, or the minimum she would be at that point in time (given that before she and Rory get the invitations about two months after the wedding (which is when the doctor figures the baby was conceived).