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Amy ([personal profile] such_heights) wrote2009-02-01 06:27 pm

Vid Notes for Glorious

Now I've got them more sorted out, notes on the vid I posted earlier, both the vid itself and the themes behind it.

Vidding Notes

This is a song that's been used before, there are visuals that have been used in other videos on similar themes, and there are ideas here that come from a lot of other people and things that I've read. So, perhaps I'm horribly unoriginal, but I do like to think of this as part of a larger conversation that we've had so often. In short, if something here reminds you of something else in a particular fandom, it's probably meant to! I wanted to move from the specific to the general, and I used a fair few references points in the process even when they didn't all make it to the final cut.

Fun facts - there are 24 fandoms here, and approximately 50 different heroines make an appearance.

Not-really-that-meta but something that personally entertains me - the shot at 0:40 where the ghost walks through Teyla and then it cuts to Sue Storm is a nod to this exchange from SGA's 'First Strike':

John: Well, that's why we're a team, like the Fantastic Four. It's a comic book where superheroes fight crime and stuff. See, I'd be Mr Fantastic, Ronon would be The Thing, McKay would be the Human Torch... You'd be the Invisible Woman.
Teyla: I am not invisible.


As SGA fans will tell you, Rachel Luttrell's delivery of that line is so ironic and hilarious. So, visual shout-out. I spent ages deliberating who should get the final shot, but once I'd thought of Teyla I couldn't picture anyone else.

Oh, and also? This has inspired need in me for so many crossovers, you have no idea. Someone should get on that!

Now, onto more general thoughts that will hopefully be of interest even if you're not a vid watcher.

These Women And Their Stories

It's a story you've heard before. There's a woman, or a young girl, and she goes on a journey. She finds something amazing about the world, about herself, she learns so much and sees such wondrous new things. So often, too often, this doesn't end well. She can't handle it, you see, it's too much and she's not equipped. That, or her story is a tragedy, a lesson about the dangers of the big wide world, and she dies as an object lesson so that men might weep. She sacrifices herself for the good of the true heroes of the tale, and sometimes, she just fades away, never to be seen again.

It's a story that too much of our media seems compelled to tell, and it leaves Rose Tyler weeping on a beach and Donna Noble breaking apart because her male-given power is just too much for her. It leaves the women loved by the Winchesters sacrificed and killed and destroyed, burning up on the ceiling, and it makes sure Morgana's visions are bundled away so that no one has to listen to her. It makes Claire Bennet invincible just so that they can mutilate and kill the pretty blonde cheerleader again and again and again. Women are threatened and turned into victims and imprisoned and violated with such regularity, as though there can be no other story for these characters, and I'm tired of it.

This is part of why I'm so saddened by all the female character bashing that goes on in fandom, the way we react to problematic presentations in canon and makes them even worse. We can take Jennifer Keller or whoever is the fandom villainess of the week, and we can remake them in our own image, we don't have to take the crap the writers hand us lying down.

We can rewrite all of these stories, we can reclaim Susan Pevensie and Donna Noble and Monica Dawson for our own. Dead women can even walk again, fandom's neat that way. Here, by picking up a pen or opening up software, I can show my heroes the way I love them best, instead of the way I'm told these stories always end. In this vid, Claire can break free and put herself back together, permanently, and Morgana can take charge of her own destiny, and they can all be proud in their victories.

My heroes are scientists, engineers, leaders, explorers, pilots, magicians and warriors. They're women, and they're glorious. Making this vid was partly a protest, mostly a celebration, and also a desire to give these characters that I love the agency, the recognition and the joyful endings they deserve.

[identity profile] magic-at-mungos.livejournal.com 2009-02-01 06:49 pm (UTC)(link)
My heroes are scientists, engineers, leaders, explorers, pilots, magicians and warriors. They're women, and they're glorious. Making this vid was partly a protest, mostly a celebration, and also a desire to give these characters that I love the agency, the recognition and the joyful endings they deserve.

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Edited 2009-02-01 18:49 (UTC)
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[identity profile] hibernate.livejournal.com 2009-02-01 07:09 pm (UTC)(link)
We can take Jennifer Keller or whoever is the fandom villainess of the week, and we can remake them in our own image, we don't have to take the crap the writers hand us lying down. We can rewrite all of these stories, we can reclaim Susan Pevensie and Donna Noble and Monica Dawson for our own.

Thank you for writing that. It's exactly what I've been trying to say, but failed to express.
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[identity profile] amathela.livejournal.com 2009-02-01 07:40 pm (UTC)(link)
I ♥ you. That is all.

Wait. Also, I really ♥ these women.

Very, totally awesome vid, and meta.
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[identity profile] elsane.livejournal.com 2009-02-01 07:48 pm (UTC)(link)
Yes, yes, yes. Thank you. ♥
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[identity profile] sunnyrea.livejournal.com 2009-02-01 08:52 pm (UTC)(link)
Fuck yes to that whole thing about women. I was reading up and thinking about it in Who esspecially lately, how much the women are beaten up and made to the service of men.

And I agree that this is why we have fandom. Take back Donna Noble!!!!

[identity profile] magnetic-pole.livejournal.com 2009-02-01 09:11 pm (UTC)(link)
Women are threatened and turned into victims and imprisoned and violated with such regularity, as though there can be no other story for these characters, and I'm tired of it.

Yes. Fabulous vid, and I'm glad to see this meta, as well. M.

[identity profile] secondsilk.livejournal.com 2009-02-01 11:59 pm (UTC)(link)
Dude yes!

The vid is completely awesome.
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[personal profile] woldy 2009-02-02 12:39 am (UTC)(link)
I love that Susan Pevensie is mentioned here because the lousy treatment of her really stood out for me as a child and it is the first thing I think of in reference to Narnia or Lewis. For me, the handling of Susan goes beyond 'bad writing of female characters' and into the realm of 'so sexist that I would spit in the author's face'. Do you know Neil Gaiman's story 'The Trouble with Susan'? I read it recently and it's interesting but still doesn't adequately deal with the sexism and moral judgement in Lewis' handling of Susan. So many stories are much in need of fanworks to correct them!

[identity profile] builtofsorrow.livejournal.com 2009-02-02 02:47 am (UTC)(link)
-hugs you- I love you so much, Amy. Thank you. I know I feed the problem probably as much as I resent it, and thank you for writing it out so I can see my own hypocrisy writ large and hopefully do something about it.

(I can't wait to get a decent internet connection so I can watch this vid.)

[identity profile] 2bluaeryn.livejournal.com 2009-02-02 03:34 am (UTC)(link)
*CLAPS*

Well said.

[identity profile] nialyind.livejournal.com 2009-02-02 05:34 am (UTC)(link)
I love the vid, and I love this commentary even more.
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[identity profile] lyssie.livejournal.com 2009-02-02 05:45 am (UTC)(link)
This. All of it.
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[personal profile] twtd 2009-02-02 05:55 am (UTC)(link)
Here through a friend of a friend. The vid was great. The commentary is love. *goes off to write more fic about women.*

[identity profile] cinnamon-sakaki.livejournal.com 2009-02-02 10:43 am (UTC)(link)
Women are threatened and turned into victims and imprisoned and violated with such regularity, as though there can be no other story for these characters, and I'm tired of it.

This. ♥

Can I also say how chuffed I was to see Monica Dawson in the vid? She's so lovely and for them to just write her out is beyond lame.
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[identity profile] allie-meril.livejournal.com 2009-02-02 04:23 pm (UTC)(link)
♥♥♥♥♥!!

I love the mention of Susan particularly. It pissed me off to no end what CS Lewis did to her. Well, as I was a kid when I read it, it made me deeply unhappy. Why couldn't she be with her siblings? Why couldn't Aslan forgive her flaws? I mean, right now I'm very much an agnostic, but that image of God is not one that I agree with: one who does not forgive. My Lutheran upbringing emphasized that God was forgiving and kind, and if you just tried to be the best person you could, then you'd be all right.

Thankfully, I've found fanfiction that fixes Susan's plight in my mind, and now I imagine her meeting up with her siblings in Narnia after she dies, having lived a long, full life.
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[personal profile] wendelah1 2009-02-03 01:43 am (UTC)(link)
This is a wonderful, inspiring meta for a great vid. Thanks for creating them both for us all.

[identity profile] fiona-fawkes.livejournal.com 2009-02-03 02:56 am (UTC)(link)
You're making me want to start a multi-fandom heorine fic/art exchange. *is inspired*
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[personal profile] cofax7 2009-02-03 03:55 am (UTC)(link)
Oh, what a WONDERFUL vid.

[identity profile] irradiatedsoup.livejournal.com 2009-02-03 06:48 am (UTC)(link)
We can rewrite all of these stories, we can reclaim Susan Pevensie and Donna Noble and Monica Dawson for our own. Dead women can even walk again, fandom's neat that way. Here, by picking up a pen or opening up software, I can show my heroes the way I love them best, instead of the way I'm told these stories always end.

This.

[identity profile] akamarykate.livejournal.com 2009-02-03 06:47 pm (UTC)(link)
I think I love your meta as much as I love the vid. Yes to all of it, especially here:

Women are threatened and turned into victims and imprisoned and violated with such regularity, as though there can be no other story for these characters, and I'm tired of it.

Which is where I started tearing up, and then even more so when you talked about the power of fans to change that.

And it reminded me about one of my favorite characters ever, Marissa Clark from Early Edition, and how even though she wasn't as badly treated as some of the characters you're mentioning, the writers kept saying they weren't including her much in the stories because they, and I quote, "didn't know what to do with her"--partly because she was blind, but I think there was more to it than that. You're writers, use your imaginations, for crying out loud--I could have put five fan writers at that table who could have given them awesome ideas, and that was in a teeny, tiny fandom.

/rant

Also, what you say here, and that ending shot in the vid, make me want to watch Stargate Atlantis now, just for Teyla.
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[identity profile] izzybeth.livejournal.com 2009-02-04 03:21 am (UTC)(link)
your vid is beautiful. your meta hits it on the nose. you made me cry a little bit. THANK YOU.

[identity profile] archon-mentha.livejournal.com 2009-02-04 03:58 am (UTC)(link)
So well said!

[identity profile] kismeteve.livejournal.com 2009-02-04 05:23 pm (UTC)(link)
My heroes are scientists, engineers, leaders, explorers, pilots, magicians and warriors. They're women, and they're glorious. Making this vid was partly a protest, mostly a celebration, and also a desire to give these characters that I love the agency, the recognition and the joyful endings they deserve.

*applause*

[identity profile] lorannah.livejournal.com 2009-02-06 06:20 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh. Both the video and the commentary are so wonderful and it's hard to know what to say that hasn't been said already and better.

But just to start, the editing on the vid is gorgeous and the scenes work so well together to tell the story and build the themes. And so many characters I adore, too many to list and I think you know most of them anyhow - but, oh, I'd forgotten how much I loved Seven of Nine and how annoyed I was that they chopped Monica's character out of Season 3 of Heroes (her character was one of my favourite bits of season 2). Oh and Maria, I've just been writing her and I love her so much - and all the SJA kids actually, I definitely don't talk about that show enough...

As for the vid notes - you are so spot on. The hypocrisy in fandom concerning female characters drives me nuts. When I generally think of character bashing I've seen, it's almost entirely against the female characters. And yes, so much of the traditional 'woman' storyline is reinstated again and again in canon - and I do find it suprising that fandom, who are usually so good at rebelling against flaws, often just seem to accept that.

And I've got to agree with everyone who's mentioned how particularly maddening the Susan Pevensie treatment is - my friends have long learned that if they're bored on a night out, they can just wait for me to get drunk enough and then mention the Last Battle and watch me rant incoherently about it...

I think it's the thing that frustrates me most with New-Who as well, though I appreciate that with a character like the Doctor, the characters around him are likely to be consumed by him - I hate the implication that he becomes all that is worthwhile in their life. In season 1 Rose was brave and ballsy and warm and when the Doctor sent her back, took matters into her own hands - then straight away in The Christmas Invasion she's powerless and innefective without the Doctor (which is why I'm not a big fan of the episode) and as you said it ends with her broken on a bridge - her life apparently over because the Doctor's no longer in it. I mostly wanted to shake her and tell her that she was awesome with or without him.

It's why, well I'm not entirely happy with Donna's ending, I hate that people thought she would be better off dead now that she wasn't with the Doctor anymore. Donna was already awesome, y'all.

I think that's why I loved Martha's ending so much, yes I was sad that she left because I was going to miss her and I knew what had happened had damaged her, but she left of her own choice and for reasons I could understand. And that was why I was so angry when it was implied in the Doctor's Daughter that she left because she couldn't cope - because, what the hell, that is not how it seemed to me and she's busy being awesome and coping with just as much at Torchwood and UNIT. Grrr...

Whups, that turned into a bit of a rant.

But, yes, in short I love you.

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[identity profile] tieleen.livejournal.com 2009-02-07 11:39 pm (UTC)(link)
I like your take on this, and the vid is lovely.

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