Sorry, obviously I wasn't entirely clear here - I think there's a distinction between presenting racism in the show, like the instances you describe, and instances of racism being internalised by the show, like with Mickey and Martha. You make a good point about Adam, and definitely both Mickey and Martha are shown to be extremely awesome and invited into the TARDIS at various points by the Doctor. But they have to work to earn his respect in a way that most companions don't. They both leave in part because of the difficulties of their relationship with the Doctor.
But Nasreen falls into the stereotypical trap of female characters - she basically gets herself locked in a bunker, frozen, for god-knows-how-many-hundreds-of-years, for a man who may or may not reciprocate her affections. I think I "ugh!!!"'d aloud when that happened.
That's a fair point - I enjoyed the idea that she at least partly wanted that adventure of effectively time-travelling, albeit in a complicated one-way sense, and would get to put her diplomatic skills to use in the future when the Silurians awoke again. But obviously that frustrating romantic element is also present.
Obviously we'll have to agree to disagree on our overall impressions of RTD and Moffat's general approaches to the show, but you're quite right about the way a decrease in enjoyment makes these issues much more difficult to put up with. Which I do think makes it difficult to be objective in this kind of analysis about things we feel strongly about in any direction, but hopefully it's doable even if I suspect I am much more forgiving of all of Doctor Who's flaws in any era than I would be of a show I liked less.
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Why is it a shame that it's on the show?
Sorry, obviously I wasn't entirely clear here - I think there's a distinction between presenting racism in the show, like the instances you describe, and instances of racism being internalised by the show, like with Mickey and Martha. You make a good point about Adam, and definitely both Mickey and Martha are shown to be extremely awesome and invited into the TARDIS at various points by the Doctor. But they have to work to earn his respect in a way that most companions don't. They both leave in part because of the difficulties of their relationship with the Doctor.
But Nasreen falls into the stereotypical trap of female characters - she basically gets herself locked in a bunker, frozen, for god-knows-how-many-hundreds-of-years, for a man who may or may not reciprocate her affections. I think I "ugh!!!"'d aloud when that happened.
That's a fair point - I enjoyed the idea that she at least partly wanted that adventure of effectively time-travelling, albeit in a complicated one-way sense, and would get to put her diplomatic skills to use in the future when the Silurians awoke again. But obviously that frustrating romantic element is also present.
Obviously we'll have to agree to disagree on our overall impressions of RTD and Moffat's general approaches to the show, but you're quite right about the way a decrease in enjoyment makes these issues much more difficult to put up with. Which I do think makes it difficult to be objective in this kind of analysis about things we feel strongly about in any direction, but hopefully it's doable even if I suspect I am much more forgiving of all of Doctor Who's flaws in any era than I would be of a show I liked less.