such_heights: amy deep in thought (who: amy [dust after rain])
Amy ([personal profile] such_heights) wrote2012-02-19 11:05 pm

hello internet!

I am quite busy, which is good as it is because I have some much needed temporary employment, but my internet time has taken a big hit accordingly and that is sad. Especially as I've realised that for me internet/fandom time is also my introvert recharge time, and I miss it accordingly.

Some quick links:

+ I would like to bring you the news that there's going to be an Inspector Spacetime web series. AMAZING.

+ Reminder: there are some great prompts for the currently very lonely Who/Trek crossover fest.

+ This interview with Karen Gillan re. series seven is pretty great, particularly this extract:

IGN TV: How did you come to the decision that this coming season of Doctor Who would be your last?

Karen Gillan: Actually, I called [executive producer/showrunner] Steven Moffat and arranged the dinner and then basically told him roughly when I wanted to go. He told me where the story was at and where it was going and then we kind of together came up with it. So it was really pleasant, actually. We had a lovely dinner and just kind of discussed what we both want and what's going to happen and then came to the decision. That was ages ago, so I've known for ages!

IGN: Why did you think it was getting to be the right time?

Gillan: I wanted to go on a high. Also, Steven Moffat comes up with endless, amazing ideas anyway, but I wanted to make sure that I went on a high when the character was at her prime. There's just something quite nice and appealing about that to me. I don't know… It just felt right! I like to go on instinct.

Doctor Who: Casting the Next Companion

IGN: You can't say how many more episodes you'll be in…

Gillan: I'm not allowed to say! But I know they're going to be damn good. It's so exciting.

IGN: So Steven's told you how she's going to leave?

Gillan: I think it's the best ever. I can't say anything, but oh god, I'm dying to say something!

IGN: Are there certain things you'd like to see happen, as far as closure for her?

Gillan: I want to see her go with everything that she wants, because initially, when we met her, she was just seeking what she wants, you know what I mean? And she was kind of in this lost, transitional period, where she didn't have a stable life. So I just want to see her get what she wants.


What a coincidence, Karen, that's what I want too! So I will keep rereading this interview every time I start fretting. Mostly I feel that I may as well assume everything's going to be fine, because if it turns out it isn't, worrying all this time won't make that any better! So I shall just enjoy the rest of the time of the Ponds as companions and *hopefully* be very happy with how it all wraps up.
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[personal profile] independence1776 2012-02-21 12:14 am (UTC)(link)
You couldn't know this, but that theory is like nails on a chalkboard to me, and I really prefer to avoid thinking about it. I like her storyline, to put it mildly. (Though I admit to being morbidly curious about why you think that.)

My theory is that Amy's going to be pregnant again, and that's why she'll leave. I can't figure out a way to word my reasoning so it's positive-- my brain is not cooperating right now-- but I really do think it will be.
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[personal profile] skywaterblue 2012-02-21 12:35 am (UTC)(link)
It feels like linking Amy of the many-timelines-all-at-once ("Time can be rewritten!") to River puts more thematic weight to her final lines in the Library ("Not one line!") and even though I don't think it is as problematic as some, I still find the whole issue of Rory-and-Amy have their baby stolen and then have adventures! to be weirdly out of tone for Moffat.

Conclusion: Yeah, I think Moffat will end up playing happy families with them too, but in order for the narrative to be fully complete, I think it has to be River. However, in order to do that he has to put away his toys and I don't know if he's really done or not.
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[personal profile] independence1776 2012-02-21 08:54 pm (UTC)(link)
I'm sorry. Even after thinking about it overnight, I still don't understand, especially how it would fit in the narrative. (But I wonder if we have two different ideas about what the narrative is. :) )

I still find the whole issue of Rory-and-Amy have their baby stolen and then have adventures! to be weirdly out of tone for Moffat.

That actually doesn't bother me at all. Partly because they did raise Melody, and I see River being left in the fifty-second century as, quite literally, her finding her own way in the universe-- partly by going to university, but also figuring out what she wants and thinks about things-- like any young adult does going off to college/university. I do think, however, the Ponds' reactions should have been discussed a bit more in the show.
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[personal profile] skywaterblue 2012-02-22 04:36 am (UTC)(link)
I don't know, you tell me what the narrative is? I think mine makes narrative sense with the show, and right now I feel like I'm getting more politically-motivated fannish sentimentality from you rather than a reason. (I don't object, by the way: I dislike the idea of rewriting River deeply. On the other hand, I have more faith in Moffat to see why that's problematic than RTD did.)

I feel like Moffat is telling a story about an increasingly God-like Doctor, but unlike RTD, I feel like Moffat's opinion is that the Doctor probably wouldn't be too bad at the gig, if he wanted it. Which is an equally sensible position to take.

At the same time, River's death in the Library is a giant Chekhov's Gun. I literally know no one who doesn't believe that'll get fixed at some point and making River Amy's daughter just ups the ante. No way does the Doctor leave River Song - love of his life, daughter of his best friends, who would have destroyed the universe to prove her love - in some fictional half-life. And no way does the final resolution of their relationship happen in a bonus scene on the DVDs.

So. We have to go there, because Moffat's been nothing if not scrupulous about following the general rules of fiction in this series. Everything that has happened gets built into the show. Nothing is a complete asspull from left field. If you're paying attention, you can figure it out.

And if we have to go there, back to the Library, then who's to say that the Doctor doesn't rewrite River and give Amy and Rory their daughter back? It would be the logical thing for Moffat to write, with his sentimentality for whole families and happy children.

(The more I think about it, the more convinced I am that something like this will happen. My guess is that "our" River continues to exist as a fiction in the Library. Maybe the Doctor gives up a regeneration to bring River back as a baby, even. That seems 'right' to me, but tell me why I'm wrong!)
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[personal profile] independence1776 2012-02-22 04:27 pm (UTC)(link)
right now I feel like I'm getting more politically-motivated fannish sentimentality from you rather than a reason.

I really don't see where you're coming from on that. From my POV, I said I was curious, you gave me an explanation I didn't understand, I said so and that it was probably due to the fact that we have two different interpretations of the show, and also gave my interpretation on an issue you said bothered you. So I don't see politics involved… Seriously, I'm highly, highly confused. (But a whole-hearted yes to that Moffat sees the problems.)

I feel like Moffat is telling a story about an increasingly God-like Doctor, but unlike RTD, I feel like Moffat's opinion is that the Doctor probably wouldn't be too bad at the gig, if he wanted it.

Yeah, we have two different views. I think that Moffat's healing the Doctor, backing him away from the god-like aspects, putting him back in the shadows and making him just a person, albeit a powerful one. S6 was about him trying to be the "god" again-- getting rid of the Silence and still unable to save the little girl, raising an army that ended up failing because his enemies knew he'd react how he did, trying to escape dying without letting anyone else in on his plan-- and getting reminded over and over again that when he acts like that, bad things happen.

River's death in the Library is a giant Chekhov's Gun. I literally know no one who doesn't believe that'll get fixed at some point

Me. I think River truly died, and what's in the Library is just a data ghost. But then, my opinion goes back to the fact that I think Moffat's healing the Doctor. Unlike Rose, where he pretended that forever was possible and yet simultaneously ran from the knowledge that it wasn't, he knew River would die and fell in love anyway. He decided that the pain was worth the joy.

And no way does the final resolution of their relationship happen in a bonus scene on the DVDs.

No, it doesn't! I saw that as a teaser, myself. He's definitely going to do more there.

Everything that has happened gets built into the show. Nothing is a complete asspull from left field. If you're paying attention, you can figure it out.

And that is why I love Moffat's writing so much. I *click* with it; it just makes inherent sense to me in a way most other things don't.

And if we have to go there, back to the Library, then who's to say that the Doctor doesn't rewrite River and give Amy and Rory their daughter back? It would be the logical thing for Moffat to write, with his sentimentality for whole families and happy children.

This hits very close to something I've ranted about in the past because it's a huge pile of Do Not Want: I firmly believe the Doctor will never tell Amy and Rory what happens to River. Him doing so would be one of the cruelest things possible. And yeah, him rewriting it would sort-of resolve that hurt (and definitely would if they never knew), but I really can't see Moffat having the Ponds know in the first place.

My guess is that "our" River continues to exist as a fiction in the Library. Maybe the Doctor gives up a regeneration to bring River back as a baby, even. That seems 'right' to me, but tell me why I'm wrong!

I don't know! All I can say, that with how I view the show, it just feels wrong. I'm sorry I can't be more concrete. (It's really bugging me that I can't. Maybe if I spend some time thinking about it, I'll be able to explain. But I can't guarantee it.)